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J Hickmott & C Riggs Trainer

J Hickmott & C Riggs Profile

J Hickmott & C Riggs is a horse trainer based in Murray Bridge. J Hickmott & C Riggs has a win strike rate of 6% and a career ROI of -45.

J Hickmott & C Riggs Last 12 Months Racing Form

J Hickmott & C Riggs last 12 months's career form is 206 Starts, 9 wins, 15 seconds, 13 thirds.

J Hickmott & C Riggs has average win odds of 13 and an ROI of -44% over the last 12 months.

J Hickmott & C Riggs Current Season Racing Form

J Hickmott & C Riggs current season form is 11 Starts, 1 wins, seconds, 1 thirds.

J Hickmott & C Riggs has average win odds of 13.00 and an ROI of 18% over the current season.

J Hickmott & C Riggs's overall Stats: Trainer Racing History

	Starts	1^st	2^nd	3^rd	Win %	Place %	Avg Win Odds	ROI
Last 12 Months	206	9	15	13	4%	18%	12.72	-44
Current Season	11	1		1	9%	18%	13.00	18

J Hickmott & C Riggs's Results: Trainer Racing History

Here is a list of tracks where J Hickmott & C Riggs has raced in the past 12 months and the current season. The list shows performance by J Hickmott & C Riggs across all tracks.

Past 12 months

Track	Starts	1^st	2^nd	3^rd	W%	P%	Avg Win Odds	ROI
Balaklava	36	2	3	4	6%	25%	$18.00	-
Ballarat	1	-	-	1	-	100%	-	-100%
Benalla	2	-	-	1	-	50%	-	-100%
Bordertown	7	-	-	1	-	14%	$5.50	-100%
Clare	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Flemington	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Gawler	22	2	3	3	9%	36%	$22.45	104%
Halidon	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Hawker	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Mildura	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Morphettville	22	-	-	1	-	5%	$26.00	-100%
Morphettville Parks	31	1	3	1	3%	16%	$6.50	-79%
Mt Gambier	5	-	-	1	-	20%	-	-100%
Murray Bridge Gh	38	2	3	2	5%	18%	$10.25	-46%
Naracoorte	5	-	-	-	-	-	$10.00	-100%
Oakbank	8	-	-	-	-	-	$3.80	-100%
Penola	3	-	1	-	-	33%	$4.40	-100%
Port Augusta	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Port Lincoln	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
Strathalbyn	23	2	2	1	9%	22%	$3.30	-71%
Swan Hill	7	-	-	-	-	-	$3.60	-100%
Warracknabeal	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Wodonga	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%

This season

Track	Starts	1^st	2^nd	3^rd	W%	P%	Avg Win Odds	ROI
Ballarat	1	-	-	1	-	100%	-	-100%
Benalla	2	-	-	1	-	50%	-	-100%
Clare	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Flemington	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Morphettville	2	-	-	1	-	50%	$33.00	-100%
Morphettville Parks	1	-	-	-	-	-	$6.50	-100%
Mt Gambier	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Murray Bridge Gh	7	1	-	-	14%	14%	$13.00	86%
Port Augusta	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Port Lincoln	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
Strathalbyn	1	-	-	-	-	-	$3.30	-100%
Warracknabeal	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Wodonga	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%

Here is a list of the top jockeys who have ridden for J Hickmott & C Riggs along with their stats over the last 12 months and the current season.

Past 12 months

Jockey	Starts	1^st	2^nd	3^rd	W%	P%	Avg Win Odds	ROI
Sophie Logan	1	-	-	-	-	-	$3.20	-100%
Mr M Aitken	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms S Metcalfe	1	-	-	-	-	-	$5.50	-100%
Anna Jordsjo	2	-	-	-	-	-	$8.00	-100%
J Maund	4	-	-	1	-	25%	$12.00	-100%
J Holder	1	-	-	-	-	-	$8.50	-100%
Ben Price	1	-	-	-	-	-	$3.30	-100%
Ms E Finnegan	2	-	-	-	-	-	$3.00	-100%
Jacob Opperman	1	-	-	-	-	-	$3.20	-100%
Margaret Collett	42	1	5	3	2%	21%	$15.00	-64%
Angus Chung	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alana Kelly	5	-	-	1	-	20%	$20.00	-100%
D Moor	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
K H Zechner	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Potter	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Madison Lloyd	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jessica Eaton	5	-	-	-	-	-	$7.50	-100%
Gary Lo	2	-	-	1	-	50%	-	-100%
Teagan Voorham	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Lachlan Overall	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Zoe Lloyd	3	-	-	-	-	-	$12.00	-100%
Callan Murray	1	-	-	-	-	-	$6.50	-100%
Mikaela Lawrence	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alice Lindsay	3	1	-	-	33%	33%	$10.00	233%
Sairyn Fawke	1	-	-	-	-	-	$10.00	-100%
Lachlan Neindorf	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D Caboche	24	1	2	2	4%	21%	$41.00	71%
J Lorensini	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
Kyle Hocking	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Dean Holland	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Campbell Rawiller	15	2	2	-	13%	27%	$3.30	-56%
B Mc Dougall	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Eran Boyd	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
P N Wong	1	-	-	-	-	-	$16.00	-100%
Ms C Jones	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
Alana Livesey	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Logan McNeil	3	-	-	2	-	67%	$5.50	-100%
Felicity Atkinson	1	-	-	1	-	100%	$31.00	-100%
A Lynch	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Ellis Wong	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D Tourneur	3	-	-	-	-	-	$14.00	-100%
S Callow	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Rochelle Milnes	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Samuel Payne	5	1	1	-	20%	40%	$3.50	-30%
Laura Lafferty	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jade Doyle	6	1	-	-	17%	17%	$21.00	250%
Rose Perarson	5	1	-	-	20%	20%	$17.00	240%
Dakota-Lee Gillett	2	-	-	-	-	-	$3.50	-100%
C Newitt	1	-	-	1	-	100%	-	-100%
H Y Yuen	5	-	-	2	-	40%	-	-100%
Liam Riordan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Dylan Turner	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
H Coffey	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$3.60	260%
Codi Jordan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alan Lai	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Declan Bates	1	-	-	1	-	100%	-	-100%
Tayla Childs	8	-	1	1	-	25%	-	-100%
K L Hannan	10	-	1	1	-	20%	-	-100%
Harrison Ingram	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sheriden Tomlinson	11	1	-	1	9%	18%	$8.50	-23%
Todd Pannell	10	-	1	-	-	10%	$5.50	-100%
Sheridan Clarke	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
N Seymour	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Cassey Martinan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Harry Grace	13	-	1	1	-	15%	-	-100%
Tala Hutchinson	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Kissick	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
R Mc Leod	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
B Shinn	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$5.50	450%
Carleen Hefel	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jack Hill	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
B Rawiller	2	1	-	-	50%	50%	$6.50	225%
Brooke King	9	1	-	-	11%	11%	$3.90	-57%
Ms T Johnstone	8	1	1	1	13%	38%	$7.50	-6%
M Nunes	4	1	-	2	25%	75%	$4.20	5%
Zac Spain	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sophie Mitchell	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
M Chadwick	1	-	-	-	-	-	$5.00	-100%
R J Hurdle	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$2.40	140%
Kayla Crowther	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Connor Murtagh	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Bowditch	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Matt Chadwick	16	-	1	-	-	6%	$4.00	-100%
Will Price	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms S Lacy	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Monica Wolanin	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
S H Sit	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Caitlin Tootell	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D W Stackhouse	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Polly Brewster	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alyssa Webb	4	-	-	1	-	25%	-	-100%
Lucy Warwick	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
A Stead	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sophie Potter	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms C Jokic	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alysha Warren	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Rose Hammond	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
S Lisnyy	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
A C Goindasamy	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jackson Murphy	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Jett Stanley	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Shuichi Terachi	9	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Caitlin Hollowood	1	-	1	-	-	100%	-	-100%
Teodore Nugent	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ashlee Stone	4	1	-	-	25%	25%	$13.00	225%
Shayleigh Ingelse	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%

This season

Jockey	Starts	1^st	2^nd	3^rd	W%	P%	Avg Win Odds	ROI
Sophie Logan	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.20	-100%
Mr M Aitken	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms S Metcalfe	-	-	-	-	-	-	$5.50	-100%
Anna Jordsjo	2	-	-	-	-	-	$8.00	-100%
J Maund	-	-	-	-	-	-	$8.67	-76%
J Holder	-	-	-	-	-	-	$6.75	-100%
Ben Price	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.30	-100%
Ms E Finnegan	-	-	-	-	-	-	$5.75	-100%
Jacob Opperman	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.20	-71%
Margaret Collett	2	-	-	-	-	-	$17.00	-100%
Angus Chung	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alana Kelly	-	-	-	-	-	-	$20.00	-100%
D Moor	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
K H Zechner	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Potter	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Madison Lloyd	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jessica Eaton	-	-	-	-	-	-	$7.50	-100%
Gary Lo	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Teagan Voorham	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Lachlan Overall	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Zoe Lloyd	-	-	-	-	-	-	$19.87	-100%
Callan Murray	1	-	-	-	-	-	$6.50	-100%
Mikaela Lawrence	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alice Lindsay	-	-	-	-	-	-	$10.00	100%
Sairyn Fawke	-	-	-	-	-	-	$10.00	-100%
Lachlan Neindorf	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D Caboche	-	-	-	-	-	-	$41.00	71%
J Lorensini	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Kyle Hocking	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Dean Holland	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Campbell Rawiller	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.30	-59%
B Mc Dougall	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Eran Boyd	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
P N Wong	-	-	-	-	-	-	$16.00	220%
Ms C Jones	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alana Livesey	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Logan McNeil	-	-	-	-	-	-	$5.50	-8%
Felicity Atkinson	-	-	-	-	-	-	$31.00	-100%
A Lynch	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Ellis Wong	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D Tourneur	-	-	-	-	-	-	$14.00	-100%
S Callow	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Rochelle Milnes	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Samuel Payne	-	-	-	-	-	-	$4.15	-70%
Laura Lafferty	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jade Doyle	-	-	-	-	-	-	$21.00	250%
Rose Perarson	5	1	-	-	20%	20%	$17.00	240%
Dakota-Lee Gillett	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.50	17%
C Newitt	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
H Y Yuen	3	-	-	1	-	33%	-	-100%
Liam Riordan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Dylan Turner	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
H Coffey	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$3.60	260%
Codi Jordan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alan Lai	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Declan Bates	1	-	-	1	-	100%	-	-100%
Tayla Childs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
K L Hannan	10	-	1	1	-	20%	-	-100%
Harrison Ingram	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sheriden Tomlinson	-	-	-	-	-	-	$8.50	-50%
Todd Pannell	-	-	-	-	-	-	$5.50	-100%
Sheridan Clarke	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
N Seymour	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Cassey Martinan	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Harry Grace	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Tala Hutchinson	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Kissick	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
R Mc Leod	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
B Shinn	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$5.50	450%
Carleen Hefel	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jack Hill	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
B Rawiller	-	-	-	-	-	-	$6.50	225%
Brooke King	-	-	-	-	-	-	$3.90	-72%
Ms T Johnstone	-	-	-	-	-	-	$7.50	-6%
M Nunes	-	-	-	-	-	-	$4.20	-16%
Zac Spain	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sophie Mitchell	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
M Chadwick	-	-	-	-	-	-	$6.67	-100%
R J Hurdle	1	1	-	-	100%	100%	$2.40	140%
Kayla Crowther	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Connor Murtagh	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
J Bowditch	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Matt Chadwick	2	-	-	-	-	-	$11.27	-100%
Will Price	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms S Lacy	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Monica Wolanin	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
S H Sit	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Caitlin Tootell	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
D W Stackhouse	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Polly Brewster	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alyssa Webb	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Lucy Warwick	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
A Stead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Sophie Potter	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ms C Jokic	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Alysha Warren	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Rose Hammond	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
S Lisnyy	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
A C Goindasamy	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jackson Murphy	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Jett Stanley	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Shuichi Terachi	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Caitlin Hollowood	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Teodore Nugent	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-100%
Ashlee Stone	3	1	-	-	33%	33%	$13.00	333%
Shayleigh Ingelse	2	-	-	1	-	50%	-	-100%

Here is a list of the next races and the most recent results for J Hickmott & C Riggs

Upcoming Race

Magnetic Edge Next Race: 16 September 2026, Balaklava R7
10yoaG (Chestnut) Magnus x Startrice

CAREER 111 11-13-12

EARNING $630,710

WIN 10

PLACE 32
Boldacious Poppy Next Race: 16 September 2026, Balaklava R4
3yoaM (Bay) Ilovethiscity x Boldacious Girl

CAREER 1 0-0-0

EARNING $0

WIN 0

PLACE 0

September 2026

Fantastic Host Last Race: 09 September 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R8
7yoaG (Bay) Host x Fantastic Dream

CAREER 61 7-4-5

EARNING $151,265

WIN 11

PLACE 26
Magnetic Edge Last Race: 02 September 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R6
10yoaG (Chestnut) Magnus x Startrice

CAREER 111 11-13-12

EARNING $630,710

WIN 10

PLACE 32
Boldacious Poppy Last Race: 02 September 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R4
3yoaM (Bay) Ilovethiscity x Boldacious Girl

CAREER 1 0-0-0

EARNING $0

WIN 0

PLACE 0

August 2026

Fantastic Host Last Race: 30 August 2026, Strathalbyn R7
7yoaG (Bay) Host x Fantastic Dream

CAREER 61 7-4-5

EARNING $151,265

WIN 11

PLACE 26
Cool Magnum Last Race: 29 August 2026, Morphettville R4
8yoaG (Bay) Magnus x Molto Bella

CAREER 77 9-11-9

EARNING $393,160

WIN 12

PLACE 38
Fantastic Host Last Race: 26 August 2026, Strathalbyn R7
7yoaG (Bay) Host x Fantastic Dream

CAREER 61 7-4-5

EARNING $151,265

WIN 11

PLACE 26
Star Studded Belle Last Race: 21 August 2026, Swan Hill R6
7yoaM (Chestnut) Starspangledbanner x Incensed

CAREER 55 2-3-5

EARNING $80,360

WIN 4

PLACE 18
Star Studded Belle Last Race: 21 August 2026, Murtoa R6
7yoaM (Chestnut) Starspangledbanner x Incensed

CAREER 55 2-3-5

EARNING $80,360

WIN 4

PLACE 18
Boldacious Poppy Last Race: 21 August 2026, Swan Hill R4
3yoaM (Bay) Ilovethiscity x Boldacious Girl

CAREER 1 0-0-0

EARNING $0

WIN 0

PLACE 0
Boldacious Poppy Last Race: 21 August 2026, Murtoa R4
3yoaM (Bay) Ilovethiscity x Boldacious Girl

CAREER 1 0-0-0

EARNING $0

WIN 0

PLACE 0
Cool Magnum Last Race: 15 August 2026, Morphettville Parks R7
8yoaG (Bay) Magnus x Molto Bella

CAREER 77 9-11-9

EARNING $393,160

WIN 12

PLACE 38
Magnetic Edge Last Race: 12 August 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R8
10yoaG (Chestnut) Magnus x Startrice

CAREER 111 11-13-12

EARNING $630,710

WIN 10

PLACE 32
Star Studded Belle Last Race: 12 August 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R8
7yoaM (Chestnut) Starspangledbanner x Incensed

CAREER 55 2-3-5

EARNING $80,360

WIN 4

PLACE 18
Testa Dexta Last Race: 12 August 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R7
8yoaG (Bay or Brown) Ambidexter x Testarita

CAREER 60 4-9-5

EARNING $120,610

WIN 7

PLACE 30
Fantastic Host Last Race: 12 August 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R6
7yoaG (Bay) Host x Fantastic Dream

CAREER 61 7-4-5

EARNING $151,265

WIN 11

PLACE 26
Cool Magnum Last Race: 08 August 2026, Morphettville R8
8yoaG (Bay) Magnus x Molto Bella

CAREER 77 9-11-9

EARNING $393,160

WIN 12

PLACE 38
Boldacious Poppy Last Race: 05 August 2026, Murray Bridge Gh R3
3yoaM (Bay) Ilovethiscity x Boldacious Girl

CAREER 1 0-0-0

EARNING $0

WIN 0

PLACE 0

July 2026

Magnetic Edge Last Race: 29 July 2026, Strathalbyn R5
10yoaG (Chestnut) Magnus x Startrice

CAREER 111 11-13-12

EARNING $630,710

WIN 10

PLACE 32

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The Essentials of Studying Form — Part 6 | Price is Best

Australian horse racing form study usually stops at picking the horse: you do the form, then walk up and take whatever price is showing on the board. In Practical Punting in October 2000, Richard H...

The Essentials of Studying Form - Part 5 | Ratings Guide - ISOLATE THE BEST

Australian horse racing form study often ends the same way: an hour on the form guide, and a bet on the one whose name you liked. Writing in Practical Punting in September 2000, Richard Hartley Jnr...

The Essentials of Studying Form - Part 4 | How to Measure Weight and Track Conditions

Track conditions and weight are the two Australian horse racing form factors most punters skim over — "the in-a-hurry punters of modern day racing", as Richard Hartley Jnr put it in Practical Punti...

The Essentials of Studying Form — Part 3 | 12 From Angles

Australian horse racing form study often ends the same way: an hour on the form guide, half the field circled, and still no idea which one to back. Writing in Practical Punting Magazine, Richard Ha...

The Essentials of Studying Form — Part 2 | Ratings Supply the $$ Edge

Most of a Saturday card is not worth studying — which is why Australian horse racing form study starts with picking the race, not the horse. Writing in Practical Punting in June 2000, Richard Ha...

The Essentials of Studying Form - Part 1 | BASE IT ON CLASS

Before you rate a single horse, Australian horse racing form study starts with a question about the race itself: is it even worth analysing? Writing in Practical Punting in May 2000, Richard Hartle...